Shots of Small Children

[Devaiah PA]

The warmth of little ones...
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6235/6301524105_d3a3b502e2_z.jpg

Camera Nikon D90
Exposure 0.017 sec (1/60)
Aperture f/1.4
Focal Length 85 mm

[zwaltek]

^^ Tenderness :)

http://www.nopsir.org/public/img/matthieu_09/1111/645_20111023_02.jpg

http://www.nopsir.org/public/img/matthieu_09/1111/645_20111023_11.jpg

Pacific

[zwaltek]

http://www.matthieu-nopsir.org/images/photos/11/suite/mkII_20111106_247.jpg
over LA

[ashishtamhane]

^^ Tenderness :)

Pacific


over LA

Excellent shot as usual but just two things:

1) I noticed a slight Halo like thing around the girl. Whats that?

2) Whats that long pole like thing to the right side of the girl, is it a depression in the ground?

[zwaltek]

you are right the halo is caused by the fact that i blew up the fur a bit but did not pay enough attention to the mask. i'll fix it
the "pole" is the print of a tire i guess
thanks

[ashishtamhane]

the "pole" is the print of a tire i guess
thanks

Off roading?

A cracking shot nevertheless, halo or no halo. What focal length and aperture was used for the shot here?

[prashmob]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3122/5863840668_5b91bcfb86_b.jpg

[zwaltek]

Off roading?

not really it's a trail that's near my place, people drive through to get to their places.
We like to take walks there, it;s quiete cool and overseeing downtown LA
A cracking shot nevertheless, halo or no halo. What focal length and aperture was used for the shot here?
i fixed the halo. it's a 35 mm opened at 1.8
thank you !

[ashishtamhane]

i fixed the halo. it's a 35 mm opened at 1.8
thank you !

Always welcome. So thats the reason behind that blur!

[Bibudesh]

And this time my confession brought smile on these lovely and lively faces.

So I was in my native Ranchi for this Durga Puja. I would say this was the first festival I went to attend to my native after a break of 5 years. Things have changed so much, there seems to be a difference in frequency between me and my fellow native people.
There use to be a 9 days festival during durga puja and on 9th day (Navami), there is a ritual to feed and pray 9 girls of age lesser than 9. They are believed to be the avatar of Goddess Durga.
This ritual is 'religiously' followed at my home as well. My family was having tough time in arranging 9 girls of age lesser than 9. So everyone was busy in arranging them, almost all of my relative (but me) .. In such a chaos, my dad went to a slum and called upon the kids of our household maids etc. On the other hand my other relative were able to get more 'clean' kids.

(Guys please dont get me wrongly, but these are my perception I am penning down. After this incident my parents were at the receiving end from me.)

So where there was a need of 9 kids, we got like 20 of them. And that is where discrimination started to happen. These kids were nicely ignored before the kids of 'well versed' families.
Kids are not fools, these kids pictured below were able to understand whats going on, and one of them (the matured one) got real angry with my family. They started to leave after seeing such an ignorant treatment. All this happened while I was busy with some other chores and later I came to know about these happenings. Firstly, I gave my piece of mind to those who were really ignorant about these kids, and later I had to get into damage control mode.

I went to them, requested, offered sweets. Nothing.
I tried again, told them to have lunch with me. Nothing.
I tried for third time and voila they were ready, but with a low heart. I knew I have a challenge ahead. I told the maids to stay away and took the responsibility of feeding them personally. I had a nice entertaining chat and came to know that one of them is a real good Hockey player at junior school level.

Two of them (9 years old) have not seen school till date.

After them having a sumptuous lunch, those kids seemed to be in a forgiving mode. They were smiling, laughing and above all interacting to me as if they knew me for past many years.
I wanted to do something for them at least for a temporary happiness. Took out my camera and told them to pose for camera.
Man !. You should have seen their happiness when they knew they are getting photographed. I tried to capture their expression here.
Later I bid them a good bye with some stationary and chocolates.
I was surprised to see the happiness those kids showed just by receiving few minutes of love, affection, importance and gifts which in totality does not even cost a pitcher of Beer. Our kids at home would have happily thrown it away and shouted at us.

The matured kid asked me what would she become once she grew up. I told her to study and be a politician, a true politician.

She said she is going to give her best, borrow books from her friend and study hard in FREE TIME while SHE IS NOT WORKING (I am ashamed to say she is a housemaid somewhere in our neighbourhood).
I was angry, unhappy & happy, all the emotions flashed in a second.

Before leaving she said something which I will never forget. She said once she becomes a politician first thing she is going to do is visit me. I tried to hold my emotion but honestly felt like holding that kid into my arms.

Enough of my egotism, these are the shots. ( I took individual portraits of all the kids with their best buddies)

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-1NdwWCWJBeU/TrlJwntNFFI/AAAAAAAAGkk/ovsr-pDNhMI/s800/_HIM6525.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-kfqpT3BS5ZU/TrlJ2btp-2I/AAAAAAAAGks/tmhUNNGIGJ4/s800/_HIM6531.jpg

[Cyclops]

Bibudesh, I understand your words & emotions! I've seen them first hand, like you have.

Good shots there & my heart-felt thanks for giving those li'l bunch of kids a very happy time, for they seldom get such treatment & love!

[KrishnenduKes]

over LA

What a shot! Halo or no halo... amazing.

Off roading?

A cracking shot nevertheless, halo or no halo. What focal length and aperture was used for the shot here?

Camera Maker: Canon

Camera Model: Canon EOS 5D Mark II
Image Date: 2011-11-06 16:08:20 -0800
Focal Length: 35.0mm
Aperture: f/1.8
Exposure Time: 0.0010 s (1/1000)
ISO equiv: 100
Exposure Bias: none
Exposure: aperture priority (semi-auto)
White Balance: Auto
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB
GPS Coordinate: undefined, undefined
Photographer: matthieu grospiron
Copyright: matthieu grospiron
Title: mkII_20111106_247
Software: Adobe Photoshop CS3 Macintosh

[rajr]

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6038/6333177087_96da59b5a1_z.jpg

[synn]

That's a beautiful capture.

[powerslave]

MY, what big eyes you have.. heh

Nice shot indeed!

[KrishnenduKes]

That is indeed a lovely shot.

[rajr]

Thanks synn, powerslave and Ken da. All the experts here are the reason for a beginner like me to learn and try to improve.

The information shared is really helpful and that's what i love about this forum. What makes a form better is not the number of photographs shared online, but how to achieve the same.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6034/6333930324_873832899e_z.jpg

[Devaiah PA]

Thanks synn, powerslave and Ken da. All the experts here are the reason for a beginner like me to learn and try to improve.

The information shared is really helpful and that's what i love about this forum. What makes a form better is not the number of photographs shared online, but how to achieve the same.


Your work is also good. Try a little bit of cropping empty space..

[Bibudesh]

Very nice image rajr. Like dev said, try to crop or maybe u can try adding some vignette.

[anvancy-(macro analyst)]

what was his mood the time u clicked it?

Anvancy

[Devaiah PA]

over LA

A perfect large print content.... Liked it a lot.

[Devaiah PA]

A little bit of fun and happiness makes your day... Missing my childhood
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6101/6339366206_c9461a419b_z.jpg

[Bibudesh]

Cross Colored

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-d0Oay6ET0Do/Tr9gzaKCpxI/AAAAAAAAGqA/VdsPLF_UJj0/s800/vivan_HIM4813.jpg

[Devaiah PA]

On the floor
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6219/6340410835_88d0eae5ee_b.jpg

[zwaltek]

very cute. ^^
a bit of a bummer for the feets.

http://www.matthieu-nopsir.org/images/photos/11/suite/mkII_20111106_335.jpg

[KrishnenduKes]

very cute. ^^
a bit of a bummer for the feets.



Wow!

How did you get that light?

[zwaltek]

Wow!

How did you get that light?
sunset my friend, sunset . and a storm in the east.
thanks K

[KrishnenduKes]

sunset my friend, sunset . and a storm in the east.
thanks K

These are some of the best light conditions that one can hope to get shooting outdoors.

[Devaiah PA]

From the RED corner for a Knockout finish! (Just sharing some moments)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7016/6492571923_5bd04998f6_b.jpg

[Vicky]

/\ Tough guy! Nice capture :)


Joy

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7005/6491900789_e51ce05406_o.jpg
50D + 70-200 f/4 L IS @ 1/200, f/4, ISO 800, Bounce Flash

[KrishnenduKes]

Joy

50D + 70-200 f/4 L IS @ 1/200, f/4, ISO 800, Bounce Flash

Lovely creative work Vicky! Super.

[nelson_sanjoy]

This is one from my last weekend casual photo-shoot of my guests and their 3 months old kiddo who is ever restless :)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7011/6544703913_c42a564665_z_d.jpg

I liked the emotion of the picture where the mom cuddles up the young one and he is so innocently unaware ...

Exif:
Camera Canon EOS Digital Rebel XSi
Exposure 0.008 sec (1/125)
Aperture f/4.0
Focal Length 50 mm
ISO Speed 200
Exposure Bias 0 EV
Flash On, Fired

[surya@64]

This is one from my last weekend casual photo-shoot of my guests and their 3 months old kiddo who is ever restless :)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7011/6544703913_c42a564665_z_d.jpg

I liked the emotion of the picture where the mom cuddles up the young one and he is so innocently unaware ...

Exif:
Camera Canon EOS Digital Rebel XSi
Exposure 0.008 sec (1/125)
Aperture f/4.0
Focal Length 50 mm
ISO Speed 200
Exposure Bias 0 EV
Flash On, Fired

A tighter crop excluding the negative space to the left should enhance the emotions in the image. Nice & sharp.

[powerslave]

I'm wondering how it would look in a constrasty black and white.

[nelson_sanjoy]

A tighter crop excluding the negative space to the left should enhance the emotions in the image. Nice & sharp.
Really appreciate your honest feedback and I fully agree .Let me try something...
I'm wondering how it would look in a constrasty black and white.
Please feel free to experiment :))

[anvancy-(macro analyst)]

Like that expression Nelson. To me the expression is like one of those ROAR types.

Anvancy

[Devaiah PA]

Bubbles
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7028/6568672653_63f21ddab3_b.jpg

[nelson_sanjoy]

Like that expression Nelson. To me the expression is like one of those ROAR types.

Anvancy
Thnks Anvancy

@Surya & @Powerslave - Any good???
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7147/6569401509_22be8f894b_z_d.jpg

[surya@64]

Now the image is worth framing...!! Do a large print...nelson.

[KrishnenduKes]

Bubbles


Beautiful work of bokeh.

Get rid of that big white burn to the left. Increase contrast a wee bit.

Now the image is worth framing...!! Do a large print...nelson.

I agree!

[nelson_sanjoy]

Now the image is worth framing...!! Do a large print...nelson.



I agree!

Thank you gentlemen...

[nelson_sanjoy]

One more - some subjects lighten up the darkness...
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7157/6594935889_40f0124fb2_z_d.jpg

Good night.

[powerslave]

Thnks Anvancy

@Surya & @Powerslave - Any good???
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7147/6569401509_22be8f894b_z_d.jpg

Yes!


......

[Devaiah PA]

On the Wall :cool:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7023/6613293027_e25a19b9b2_b.jpg

[rajr]

Nice shot @ Devaiah PA

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7141/6646013029_6805d816c6_z.jpg

[Devaiah PA]

Hello there... Happy Sankranthi/Pongal
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6164/6202250965_bd8c327263_b.jpg

[Devaiah PA]

Rim Light
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7162/6734257867_cab6e88936_b.jpg

[rajr]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7028/6755805551_7011c3b581_b.jpg

[Devaiah PA]

Yummy

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7202/6857338397_43c1c76665_b.jpg

[KrishnenduKes]

Yummy



That is a very good capture Dev.

[rajr]

Good one Devaiah PA.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7036/6911053339_be2b5740ba_b.jpg

[shreeda]

Good one Devaiah PA.



Superb capture rajr. Excellent!

[Devaiah PA]

Good one Devaiah PA.



Rajr, Ken,
Thank you!

Rajr,
it is a good picture..... Try removing empty space from back of the subject....hope it improves a bit

[rajr]

Thanks Devaiah PA and shreeda

One more from the same series

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7195/6917404125_5ea177d751_b.jpg

[ashishtamhane]

Good one Devaiah PA.


Thanks Devaiah PA and shreeda

One more from the same series


Brilliant shots Rajr!

Very cute girl too, she poses very well, or i guess every child does!

Love the processing applied on the 2nd shot. Very nicely done.

[KrishnenduKes]

Good one Devaiah PA.



Very good shots Raj. First one better than the 2nd.

[rajr]

Thank you Ken da and ashishtamhane.

Here is one more from the same series.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7068/6917392753_421bc0f3b2_b.jpg

[KrishnenduKes]

Thank you Ken da and ashishtamhane.

Here is one more from the same series.



Hey Raj. You are shooting good.

[kaushik07]

Thoughtful


http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/420089_356314604391179_268927429796564_1092626_168 2567544_n.jpg

[KrishnenduKes]

Thoughtful




I think that here you missed critical focus by a long margin.

[kaushik07]

I think that here you missed critical focus by a long margin.


aah i guess should have focussed on her nails right


http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/424244_356930410996265_268927429796564_1094146_103 9419157_n.jpg


one more from the same series

[KrishnenduKes]

aah i guess should have focussed on her nails right



one more from the same series

When I shoot a human being, I prefer having my focus on the most prominent feature of a person... his face! :)

[Nakul]

When I shoot a human being, I prefer having my focus on the most prominent feature of a person... his face! :)

But somehow this works out doesn't it ? I mean agreed that this is not the usual norm, but this just has a different effect to it..
I am curious as to what he was doing with his fingers, so I think a bit bit more depth would have made it better ( atleast for me ). Right now the story just stops abruptly.
But as they say it all about perception, isn't it ?

The second picture is a bit cluttered, lot of distractions.


< I know its easy to comment on how to take a perfect picture than doing it, but don't I get my right of free speech ? :-D >

[kaushik07]

When I shoot a human being, I prefer having my focus on the most prominent feature of a person... his face! :)

ummm just a question...is it applicable almost all the time...let us suppose the kid over here is playing with the finger giving it a feel that the kid is in deep thought.agree that can be depicted with the facial expression but if the fingers gives the same feeling of deep though..

its just a general query .

[Cyclops]

When I shoot a human being, I prefer having my focus on the most prominent feature of a person... his face! :)

Kenda, I shall have to disagree with you... Its not always necessary to have the face in full focus... Sometimes, you need a different focal point & it adds a different feeling & depth to the images... This is mostly for kids & geriatrics, for others its usually face, unless they've some spectacular movements, that needs to be captured...

its just a general query .

Kaushik, I liked both the images... But, the problem is the composition... In the first a bit more depth was needed, like the nails being in focus with the hands... The second needed a bit more frame area, it is very cluttered right now... Both needed more of the face (child & child-father) being shown in frame...

As for you question, yes you can focus on different areas of the body to depict different feelings & depth... But, when you do that you need to ensure that the frame is not too tight, there is breathing space & the viewer's eye is directed towards the intended focal point...

[Devaiah PA]

Lonely
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7185/6815875140_4961799aef_b.jpg

[kaushik07]

Kaushik, I liked both the images... But, the problem is the composition... In the first a bit more depth was needed, like the nails being in focus with the hands... The second needed a bit more frame area, it is very cluttered right now... Both needed more of the face (child & child-father) being shown in frame...

As for you question, yes you can focus on different areas of the body to depict different feelings & depth... But, when you do that you need to ensure that the frame is not too tight, there is breathing space & the viewer's eye is directed towards the intended focal point...

Thanks a lot for answering my query.will keep that in mind during the next shoot

heres another from the same series

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/422383_357581500931156_268927429796564_1095878_131 5795423_n.jpg

[Nakul]

Lonely


An thats how its done !
Trying your hand at post processing these days eh ?

[KrishnenduKes]

< I know its easy to comment on how to take a perfect picture than doing it, but don't I get my right of free speech ? :-D >

Free speech Rights.

Artistic Rights.

Take all of them!!! :D
You guys are serious photographers doing sincere work. I would not hand out an infraction.

Kenda, I shall have to disagree with you... Its not always necessary to have the face in full focus... Sometimes, you need a different focal point & it adds a different feeling & depth to the images...

Feel free to disagree.

It is always healthy for people who think... it makes them think more... :)

[Bibudesh]

Kenda, I shall have to disagree with you... Its not always necessary to have the face in full focus... Sometimes, you need a different focal point & it adds a different feeling & depth to the images... This is mostly for kids & geriatrics, for others its usually face, unless they've some spectacular movements, that needs to be captured... ..

Actually I would have liked the shot given the highlights were well lit, properly focused, sharp with creamy bokeh.

[Devaiah PA]

An thats how its done !
Trying your hand at post processing these days eh ?

That was shot with harsh sunlight in the back ground..... it was pricking the eyes.
So MC+Warm

[Devaiah PA]

A little bit of fun with Dad....
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7051/6815876356_c3264c52de_b.jpg

[KrishnenduKes]

heres another from the same series



Now this is a really good one! Great eye capture.

A little bit of fun with Dad....


You are having a lot of fun with your kid these days!

[robin234]

really nice picture there

[Avinash_A]

One from my side.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6969437349_bc60dd4319_b.jpg

[rajr]

Dont know if i have posted this earlier

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7187/6980003523_0b6be732e0_z.jpg

[KrishnenduKes]

Dont know if i have posted this earlier



No you haven't.

Some of you guys shoot a lot of children. I find it really tough to shoot them.

[shreeda]

Dont know if i have posted this earlier

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7187/6980003523_0b6be732e0_z.jpg

Nice!

I once tried to shoot my niece, but results turned out to be disastrous! How do you guys manage to get them posing so well? Or is it the matter of time and place?

[KrishnenduKes]

Nice!

I once tried to shoot my niece, but results turned out to be disastrous! How do you guys manage to get them posing so well? Or is it the matter of time and place?

It is a matter of persistence... and...

...most importantly... your desire to really want to shoot the subject. In that case, you will make your shot no matter what.

[rajr]

It is a matter of persistence... and...

...most importantly... your desire to really want to shoot the subject. In that case, you will make your shot no matter what.

Very well said Kenda.

She was in her playful mood and i was ready with my camera. For children natural expressions are the best. If you ask them to pose they will do something weird.

[Deltaone]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/MasterMD/DSC_6038.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/MasterMD/DSC_6051-2.jpg

[zwaltek]

eheh those are nice Deltaone
may be a preference for the color one. the movement is more interesting to me.
i regret the soft focus on the face though

hide and seek
http://www.nopsir.org/public/img/0_matthieu/2012/03/mkII_20120318_081.jpg

[Devaiah PA]

hide and seek

Nice picture.... I tried to view it tilting my head for a long time, My neck is stuck :)

[KrishnenduKes]

eheh those are nice Deltaone
may be a preference for the color one. the movement is more interesting to me.
i regret the soft focus on the face though

hide and seek


This is great as usual.

[powerslave]

eheh those are nice Deltaone
may be a preference for the color one. the movement is more interesting to me.
i regret the soft focus on the face though

hide and seek
http://www.nopsir.org/public/img/0_matthieu/2012/03/mkII_20120318_081.jpg

Loving the treatment! Cute kiddo!

[shreeda]

eheh those are nice Deltaone
may be a preference for the color one. the movement is more interesting to me.
i regret the soft focus on the face though

hide and seek


Creative shot again! Your pictures are always quite interesting and educational.

[zwaltek]

thank you guys.
sorry for your neck Devaiah :)

Shreeda, thank you for the creative word. I try, i try :)

[Devaiah PA]

Hide and Seek Continued....

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7213/7007918233_e2a265558d_b.jpg

[KrishnenduKes]

Hide and Seek Continued....



Dev. Super shot. :)

[rajr]

My model posing for the camera.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7215/7039533843_d6cb658e4d_c.jpg

[rajr]

Good morning every one.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7232/7039535351_403efb6fcd_c.jpg

[KrishnenduKes]

Good morning every one.



You have become consistently good.

[shreeda]

My model posing for the camera.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7215/7039533843_d6cb658e4d_c.jpg

This one is lovely :)

[Cyclops]

Good shots there, Raj! Love 'em!

[Devaiah PA]

@Raj : Nice picture there

[KrishnenduKes]

I agree too

[Devaiah PA]

Happy moments!
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6101/6339366206_c9461a419b_b.jpg

[zwaltek]

Sofia at home

http://nopsir.org/public/img/0_matthieu/2012/04/mkII_20120415_005_nb.jpg

[ashishtamhane]

Sofia at home



Very effective shot there! Love the grains!

[zwaltek]

Thanks Ashish.
It could have gone in let's play with lines (http://www.thephotographer.in/darkroom/showthread.php?t=1147) too :)

[zwaltek]

my daughter Chiara and the new brother Massimo

http://www.nopsir.org/public/img/0_matthieu/2012/04/eos1_20120406_006.jpg

[KrishnenduKes]

my daughter Chiara and the new brother Massimo



Brilliant as usual.

And congratulations.

[rajr]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7196/7148754867_82899f2a5d_z.jpg

[KrishnenduKes]

Though the eyes are not in perfect focus, but a good shot nonetheless.

Good shooting overall Raj... are you looking to do this professionally now?

[kites]

My Son Azaan, shot taken in the evening twilight

[KrishnenduKes]

My Son Azaan, shot taken in the evening twilight

Decent shot Kites!

[Pradeep_chand]

This is my first attempt on kids photography.

#1
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e7rA6ajeVzc/T6o1YnpqZkI/AAAAAAAAATk/iSUOrTZIrq0/s512/_DSC0114.jpg

#2
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-c-y5iT4Raks/T6o1YUwa7gI/AAAAAAAAATc/9MqRSDywQ70/s640/_DSC0117.jpg

#3
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-S_fM_taSBL0/T6o1YtZy8FI/AAAAAAAAATg/DI4BFzembuk/s512/_DSC0128.jpg

#4
This photo was taken over a year ago.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-HAaZPBX3cnU/T6o1ZgjB9aI/AAAAAAAAATo/F0siZw5Bgc0/s512/_DSC0231.jpg

Please visit my picasa gallery.
https://picasaweb.google.com/111957026048614690901
Your valuable comments/ suggestion for improvement/ critiques would help me a lot.

Thank you.

[KrishnenduKes]

Thread Merged

[zwaltek]

it took me a little bit to find it back


Thanks Krishnen
a new one. 4 weeks old

http://www.nopsir.org/public/img/0_matthieu/2012/05/lm8_20120508_031.jpg

[rajr]

Thanks Kenda and yes making my passion into profession is a dream that i wish come true.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8007/7213949708_17e870d7ff_c.jpg

[ashishtamhane]

Thanks Kenda and yes making my passion into profession is a dream that i wish come true.


Nice shot and beautiful processing Rajr!

[kites]

Decent shot Kites!

Thanks Sir, will keep posting better ones

[Devaiah PA]

Will not let you go...

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[KrishnenduKes]

Will not let you go...
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Very nice shot.

But I do not like the WB at all.

Not in this one.