P&S with a difference - HS10

[Devaiah PA]

I am jealous of this camera...

Fuji is using CMOS sensor (Lower end DSLR's don't have them). Hope it has fixed Fuji's weak low light imaging issue (which I hate the most in fuji)


http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/s/finepix_hs10/

Key features at a glance:

High Resolution super wide Fujinon 30x optical zoom (24-720mm) with manual (mechanical) zoom
True wide-angle and extreme telephoto capture in a single compact unit
Triple image stabilisation (sensor shift IS, high ISO IS, Digital IS)
10 MP BSI CMOS sensor with advanced shooting modes and high image quality
3.0” High Resolution tilting LCD
Electronic Viewfinder with eye-sensor for automatic switching
High speed 10 fps continuous shooting at full resolution and new motion-tracking auto focus
Full HD (1080p) movie capture with stereo sound
Super High Speed movie capture at 1000 fps
Motion Panorama mode for ‘one shot’ sweeping panoramas
Advanced capture modes including unique Motion Remover mode that removes tourists and other moving objects from your photographs
Direct Shooting Command buttons and Command dial put advanced photographic features at your fingertips
RAW and JPEG capture modes

[KrishnenduKes]

Sounds pretty interesting. Do you own this?

Approved

[Aryan]

Wait for the "FujiMan" (Anvancy) to speak, and put forward his comments on this! ;) :D

[anvancy-(macro analyst)]

"Hope it has fixed Fuji's weak low light imaging issue (which I hate the most in fuji)".

You better do your homework first.in the field of compacts and super zooms,the F31 to F50D are pioneers in pocket cams providing superb quality in low light.do a simple search on this and you will come to know what i am saying.the super ccd implemented by fuji is one of THE jewels of cams.
in the prosumer ie the big zoom markets,the S100FS with its Massive 14x barrel zoom,proprietary Fuji Film Simulation modes,a 2/3" sensor unheard of in prosumers etc you are getting a jewel when it comes to zoomies.

now speaking of the HS-10.

The biggest difference is the use of the BSI CMOS which is of SONY and you can see in the WX 1 for example.this is the backlit CMOS.now the WX 1 and its sisters using the BSI cmos provided excellent low light shots but normal iso shots had some issue.

but I think that Fuji has done some kind of homework in this.when it comes to amateurs the Processor equally counts with the sensor.Light falling on the sensor is one thing.the Processor is the other half.So ill be waiting for actual sample shots from this.

1000fps..wowowowowee...but very very low resos.i think postage stamps ones.marketing gimmick.:p

24mm start till 720 is a big boon.

this is sitting on a 1/2.4" sensor since it wanted to implement the massive 30x zoom.so ill be expecting some kind of CA or distortion.lets see how the fujinon lens helps counter this.


based upon the facts till now ill quote this cam as a "vacation cam or holiday cam".if people want serious prosumers the S200EXR since the S100fs distribution has stopped is a sweet choice.

Btw this cam is releasing in April.

Anvancy

[KrishnenduKes]

Fujiman speaketh. Thanks Anvancy!

[Devaiah PA]

I do own a Fuji Camera....S5700....I like it very much as other owners of the same cam. It is my 5th P&S since 2001.

Avancy Thanks for making me remember my homework done sometime back when I was testing my cam.

I did a study of fuji sensor, Fuji always had very good sensors.. Only in one generation of sensors from 2005-2008 had some weakness....My camera belong to that generation.

I will dig out detailed info and post it soon...

[robin234]

well, after launch of nikon P100 is the a bomb of a camera .specification wise .

I'm not able to understand the size of the sensor ,but I guess it still smaller then APS-C sensor(CCD one:P)

Well, in future we will definately see APS-C sensor on high end point and shoots :)

[anvancy-(macro analyst)]

well, after launch of nikon P100 is the a bomb of a camera .specification wise .

I'm not able to understand the size of the sensor ,but I guess it still smaller then APS-C sensor(CCD one:P)

Well, in future we will definately see APS-C sensor on high end point and shoots :)

in terms of sensor think of a 1:36 or 1:64 scale model against 1:12 or 1:10 scale model.you will get the answer.

putting an APS-C sensor in a bridge hmm..SONY R1 was one of the most successful CMOS bridge cam ever.

it is normally said that CMOS provides better noise handling capability while CCD gives better tones or colors.i m not saying this.this is a general difference term used.

Anvancy

[sabret00the]

I am jealous of this camera...

Fuji is using CMOS sensor (Lower end DSLR's don't have them). Hope it has fixed Fuji's weak low light imaging issue (which I hate the most in fuji)


http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/s/finepix_hs10/

Key features at a glance:

High Resolution super wide Fujinon 30x optical zoom (24-720mm) with manual (mechanical) zoom
True wide-angle and extreme telephoto capture in a single compact unit
Triple image stabilisation (sensor shift IS, high ISO IS, Digital IS)
10 MP BSI CMOS sensor with advanced shooting modes and high image quality
3.0” High Resolution tilting LCD
Electronic Viewfinder with eye-sensor for automatic switching
High speed 10 fps continuous shooting at full resolution and new motion-tracking auto focus
Full HD (1080p) movie capture with stereo sound
Super High Speed movie capture at 1000 fps
Motion Panorama mode for ‘one shot’ sweeping panoramas
Advanced capture modes including unique Motion Remover mode that removes tourists and other moving objects from your photographs
Direct Shooting Command buttons and Command dial put advanced photographic features at your fingertips
RAW and JPEG capture modes

wow nice cam. I think this one's even better than the S200 EXR

[anvancy-(macro analyst)]

wow nice cam. I think this one's even better than the S200 EXR

in some aspects yes.but in some no.

Anvancy

[anvancy-(macro analyst)]

now the interesting development is that,this has the chances of using the second generation of the BSI CMOS.Sony has launched the recent TX7 compact.if the fuji is using the the second generation one then we are looking at good sensor+good processor+nice lens(fujinon has status for lenses) some great pics.the TX7 samples are up.

Anvancy

[anvancy-(macro analyst)]

videos of this cam are up.pretty compact indeed for a 30x zoom.its not one of those jaw dropping performers though.that platform is still for the S100Fs and the S200EXR.

links.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVnTGCnxL98 (part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_plv9Su1E (part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJnTfl75-Ag (part 3)



Anvancy

[anvancy-(macro analyst)]

I have to say this.

This cam is turning out to be one bad ass cam!

30x optical with minimum CA,nice bokeh for its category and nice noise performance.

The other beauty lies in its video capture.

For example a 240fps vid.Hell we can do things with this feature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QkJNoxqYzw

Anvancy

[anvancy-(macro analyst)]

another example of 240fps vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7C4fw7nI8E&feature=related

Anvancy

[KrishnenduKes]

now the interesting development is that,this has the chances of using the second generation of the BSI CMOS.Sony has launched the recent TX7 compact.if the fuji is using the the second generation one then we are looking at good sensor+good processor+nice lens(fujinon has status for lenses) some great pics.the TX7 samples are up.

Anvancy

videos of this cam are up.pretty compact indeed for a 30x zoom.its not one of those jaw dropping performers though.that platform is still for the S100Fs and the S200EXR.

links.


Anvancy

Availability/Price in India?

[Bibudesh]

I think the 'X' factor in zoom reach is again kinda marketing gimmick.

I would like them(Fuji,Nikon,Canon,Oly) to tell us what is the usable range from that 10,20,30X or watever they are boasting about.

Till date I have never seen a single usable photograph at high zoom FL from any low/high end P&S no matter what sensor is fitted in.

[anvancy-(macro analyst)]

I think the 'X' factor in zoom reach is again kinda marketing gimmick.

I would like them(Fuji,Nikon,Canon,Oly) to tell us what is the usable range from that 10,20,30X or watever they are boasting about.

Till date I have never seen a single usable photograph at high zoom FL from any low/high end P&S no matter what sensor is fitted in.

this is turning out to be a good one.

720mm actual usage.30x optical with ccd shift stablisation.but one will need tripod in cases.

@ken:available.

price is 29999/-

Anvancy

[KrishnenduKes]

this is turning out to be a good one.

720mm actual usage.30x optical with ccd shift stablisation.but one will need tripod in cases.

@ken:available.

price is 29999/-

Anvancy

And why would someone pay that price for a P&S is my next question! 30K is a whopping price to pay!

[anvancy-(macro analyst)]

And why would someone pay that price for a P&S is my next question! 30K is a whopping price to pay!

you cant have zoom with quality with noise control with nice video and nice body all for 10k.for the features this camera packs i think this is totally worth it.simple concept of money has to be put for technology.

instead of buying a 1000D and the 55-300 or such base lens,this is going to give you far better play while taking photos.quality/speed questionable.but you are getting all in one thing.

The concept here has always been that to just put money into a DSLR for the sake of it.Cameras like this,the S100FS,LX 3,oly lineup were running candidates for those who didnt wanted much hassle.30k is actually a perfect spot considering what you get with it.Thats what i personally feel.If a person who wants to enter photography sort of mainstream,learn different processes can buy cameras like this.the biggest misconception is that the 30k will be in the end a waste of money.but many dont know that cameras like these can be transferred to relatives(non photography ones who just want to click pictures).

Anvancy

[KrishnenduKes]

instead of buying a 1000D and the 55-300 or such base lens,this is going to give you far better play while taking photos.quality/speed questionable.but you are getting all in one thing.


Anvancy

That line in bold is interesting. Makes me think!

[Bibudesh]

you cant have zoom with quality with noise control with nice video and nice body all for 10k.for the features this camera packs i think this is totally worth it.simple concept of money has to be put for technology.

instead of buying a 1000D and the 55-300 or such base lens,this is going to give you far better play while taking photos.quality/speed questionable.but you are getting all in one thing.

The concept here has always been that to just put money into a DSLR for the sake of it.Cameras like this,the S100FS,LX 3,oly lineup were running candidates for those who didnt wanted much hassle.30k is actually a perfect spot considering what you get with it.Thats what i personally feel.If a person who wants to enter photography sort of mainstream,learn different processes can buy cameras like this.the biggest misconception is that the 30k will be in the end a waste of money.but many dont know that cameras like these can be transferred to relatives(non photography ones who just want to click pictures).

Anvancy

I have a very simple question which may sound naive but simple to understand. Can this camera be used for birding??
What if I buy this for 30k, tommorow I have exact 5500$ to spend i.e. I need to build a small system for birding. Can this P&S by any chance give me results as good as a 300mm f/2.8??
No.
But a Canon 350D can do that if I fuse a 300mm f/2.8 into it. Forget about 1000D which is league ahead.

U gotta understand the very basic difference between a P&S and a DSLR. A DSLR is a rocket launcher and not a rocket. It can fire any kind of bullets starting from rubber ones(sigmas and cheapos) to nuclear bombs (zeiss and propr f/2.8ers).

A P&S is a machine gun with stock magazine and bullets of only one kind. Now no matter what is the frequency of bullet firing it has (mp, fps, noise reduction or watever), it cannot accomodate a nuclear bomb.

EDIT: With a P&S, an upgrade mean purchasing a whole new camera. With a DSLR an upgrade mean possession of more accessories and lenses.

[anvancy-(macro analyst)]

it is all about versatility.why to compare to a 300 2.8?then it all starts with the oranges to apples.quality vs versatility.every third person who buys a DSLR doesnt say next month ill buy a 5500$ lens.

I dubbed this already way before.This camera is more of a vacation camera rather than extreme prosumer.But now its proving the reverse.After the S100FS This cam is proving its guns in its own territory.

its simple.those who want versatility will obviously look into this sector.This camera or say this league of cameras is not made for those who are into "heavy" DSLRing.they(companies)know specific that it is just no point in marketing to people who are into pro bodies and stuff.

The intent of this segment is for those people who want a camera,a performing zoomer,video and stuff all tech bumped into one.and those who dont want hassles.the cam is intended for these.And there are people lurking in this segment.This cam is nowhere saying take me i m good for birding.its saying take me i m good in many things.not a specialist but a jack of all trades.and a decent jack.

This cam is indeed doing good.The only point that Ken made as to why put around 30k for a cam like this(actually Ken its only 25k).its since you are getting many many things all bumped into one.you can start off with this.what started off as marketing gimmick is now actually working,examples the 240fps video etc.

But in the end rohit,a machine gun is still lighter than a rocket launcher.both weight wise and money wise.:p

Anvancy

[Bibudesh]

But if the camera is no nice then why people are not purchasing it?


..I think I know what answer gonna come. :D ..

[anvancy-(macro analyst)]

But if the camera is no nice then why people are not purchasing it?


..I think I know what answer gonna come. :D ..

:p:)

Anvancy

[KrishnenduKes]

Apples to apples please! :D

I really don't think that one should go on and on comparing a P&S with a DSLR body carrying a 300mm f2.8! It is not the same segment.

But this P&S looks serious! I am getting increasingly interested in it!

[Bibudesh]

Apples to apples please! :D

I really don't think that one should go on and on comparing a P&S with a DSLR body carrying a 300mm f2.8! It is not the same segment.

But this P&S looks serious! I am getting increasingly interested in it!

Would love get feedback from labs first monkey before my wife plans to get one for herself :p.

[Devaiah PA]

Apples to apples please! :D

I really don't think that one should go on and on comparing a P&S with a DSLR body carrying a 300mm f2.8! It is not the same segment.

But this P&S looks serious! I am getting increasingly interested in it!

I agree.... this camera is targeted towards a different audience....
This camera would be similar(by some spec) to buying a cheapest DSLR and a 18-270 tamron lens....
If my budget was low then I would have gone for it....Many reason for buying it...
1) I am doing not freezing sport photography in low light...
2) I dont care about its durability... in 3 years I will make money for a medium segment DSLR
3) I need flexibility with ease of use...I am no educated in photography...
4) My 13 years old son (he is just 2.5 now) wants a camera like teh one I use, I cannot give my DSLR with expensive lens in his hands..
5) I need to learn taking photos before selecting right DSLR. ( I myself bought a S5700 to learn)....
6) I hate zooming using buttons on my P&S, this works great...gives me a DSLR feel.
7) Macro is very good in Fuji...
8) I can peep into my neighbors windows :)
9) light weight to carry it anywhere....

at last: I donot care what others say, I can manage with it for 3 years...