Canon 50D, 70-200 L and 400 L [Archive] - The Global Indian Photographer

Vicky

06-15-2009, 05:42 PM

Awesomeness! By the way, I thought that you preferred the 40D over the 50D (like I do)? :confused:

Oh and is this the IS or the non IS version of the 70-200 f4 L?

Yes, should have picked up the 40D, after playing with both for some time, it was a very tough call between value and luxury... guess what, stretched some more and went with the 50D... one of the most influencing factor was the ability to micro adjust your lenses for even more accurate focus and the 922k screen:)

As for the lens, its the IS version:)

KrishnenduKes

06-15-2009, 05:49 PM

Have been waiting for this for weeks now! I am sure you are preparing the suitable text for this and the photos will follow as well I suppose. This has been one long and suspense filled wait!

Vicky

06-15-2009, 05:51 PM

So u finally got the lethal amunation to bleed us more ..
Congrats Though ;) ...

And I think the tale has started with the awesome shot of khaali dabba with the L .... Loved it.. Is it done by triggering the 50D with 150mm barrel fixed over the bayonet?

Thanks SP!

This one was shot with the Sigma 18-50 f/2.8:)

Spend more than 4hours at the store playing with many options... 500D, 40D, 50D even the 5D Mk II... same with lenses... 70-200 f/4 L, 70-200 f4 L IS, 70-200 f/2.8 L IS, 400mm 5.6L, 100-400 L etc.. I was like a kid in a candy store..

I even had the option to try out the 1D Mk III with 300mm f/2.8 IS, but chickened out of it... now, you wouldn't want to go out on a date with with Angelina Jolie on the day of your wedding with your long love:p

Xavier

06-15-2009, 05:54 PM

Yes, should have picked up the 40D, after playing with both for some time, it was a very tough call between value and luxury... guess what, stretched some more and went with the 50D... one of the most influencing factor was the ability to micro adjust your lenses for even more accurate focus and the 922k screen:)

As for the lens, its the IS version:)

Oh cool! Yeah, I've heard about this micro adjustment thingy on Canon forums, how good is it? We're now waiting for an extensive in-depth review of the 50D and the 70-200 L IS :D

anvancy-(macro analyst)

06-15-2009, 06:08 PM

when will get things like these??

i accept donations.:p

Xavier

06-15-2009, 06:16 PM

i accept donations.:p

Me too! :p
And I prefer them in 6digits when it comes to INR :D

Vicky

06-16-2009, 09:15 AM

i accept donations.:p

LOL!

I had been in your shoes a couple of years back and had exactly the same shots...

Gosh, at one time, I had even sent letters to Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki & Suzuki Japan suggesting them that if they gave me a free bike, that would generate a lot of free PR for them in India:D:cool:

Life has taught me that there's a time for everything... yours will come soon too!

anvancy-(macro analyst)

06-16-2009, 10:27 AM

LOL!

I had been in your shoes a couple of years back and had exactly the same shots...

Gosh, at one time, I had even sent letters to Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki & Suzuki Japan suggesting them that if they gave me a free bike, that would generate a lot of free PR for them in India:D:cool:

Life has taught me that there's a time for everything... yours will come soon too!

you know in HR its called external locus of control.where we surrender our fate to time.there are two types of LOC.one is internal where we make our fate.the external is where we surrender to external forces.if i surrender to external..then in recession how will i get this??;)

kidding.

anvancy

Vicky

06-16-2009, 02:43 PM

He He He...:D;)

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/IMG_0353.jpg

Bibudesh

06-16-2009, 03:15 PM

you are welcome to go ahead and do one more round of 'he he he he he' ...

Well this is indeed killing :D

Xavier

06-16-2009, 03:30 PM

What the?! :O
The 400mm f/5.6 L too?! :O
Aargh!! I so wanna raid your house right now! Playwin lottery? :|

What next? the 50mm f/1.4? or going by your current standards, the 50mm f/1.2 L?

rio008

06-16-2009, 03:46 PM

vicky dont do one more he he he ...!
cant affort it again :p

Aryan

06-16-2009, 04:49 PM

:eek: :eek: MY GOD! Total revamp of your photography gear there Vicky! The 50D coupled with the 70-200 F4L and the 400mm f5.6L too! Damn, this is unbelievable stuff Vicky.

Now, we ought to have some GOOD text reviewing all the three equipments:

1. The 50D
2. The 70-200 F4L IS
3. The 400mm F5.6L

Also, if possible please mention the prices of each of the equipment separately. :) I have a small doubt - Won't handholding a 400mm f5.6 lens be a little tough? The lens does not have IS, and at f5.6 is not really fast. :(

However, that would be cribbing really! :D Congratulations, finally, for getting these lovely piece of glasses and the EOS 50D. I love the 50D, and my next upgrade if possbile, would surely be the 50D! ;) :)

KrishnenduKes

06-16-2009, 05:08 PM

I knew that the 70-200 was just an appetiser! The 400 f5.6 is the real deal. I have been eyeing that one for long! I guess someday my time will come too. But before that I need to be ready to be able to use that kind of equipment. Today for sure I am not.

I am salivating on that 400!

@Aryan; Armed with that 50D, you do not need IS for the 400 f5.6. That is what Vicky was trying to convince a lot of people some days ago at an argument; remember?

Xavier

06-16-2009, 05:44 PM

I dont think that lenses like the 400mm are supposed to be hand held anyway! A good tripod is a must for big L!
As for the slow part, well, this is majorly a wildlife lens, so it will mostly be used in sunlit conditions. For portrait work, he does have the awesome and 'hand-holdable' 70-200 f/4 IS

anvancy-(macro analyst)

06-16-2009, 05:51 PM

now u are gonna play "tof tof"

anvancy

Xavier

06-16-2009, 06:07 PM

@ Vicky

Any particular reason why you chose the 400 f/5.6 L over the Dustpump, i.e., the 100-400 L? The price difference is somewhere around Rs 35k, was that the main reason?
The dustpump does have IS, even if it is ancient. :D

KrishnenduKes

06-16-2009, 06:13 PM

Xavier

06-16-2009, 06:23 PM

How can you compare a Zoom lens with a Fixed prime? I mean, is there any comparison at all?

For the EF-S lenses, maybe not, but when it comes to the big daddy L lenses, The zooms are almost as good as the primes. Check this LINK (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-400mm-f-5.6-L-USM-Lens-Review.aspx)

From the above link
The big question is always - which lens should I buy/rent? The Canon EF 300mm f/4 L IS USM Lens plus the Canon Extender EF 1.4x (420mm f/5.6 IS), the Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 L IS USM Lens or the Canon EF 400mm f/5.6 L USM Lens? This is not an easy question to answer, but I'll attempt to give some suggestions.

First, the Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 L IS USM Lens wins the versatility category hands down. It is by far the most popular of the three lenses. It is very close in sharpness to the two primes when shot wide open at identical focal lengths and better than the 300 f/4 IS + 1.4x combo. It shows more distortion (pincushion) and more vignetting. The weights of these three comparable lenses and lens combinations are similar but the 100-400 will remove more weight from your wallet than the two primes.

Vicky

06-16-2009, 09:18 PM

:eek: :eek: MY GOD! Total revamp of your photography gear there Vicky! The 50D coupled with the 70-200 F4L and the 400mm f5.6L too! Damn, this is unbelievable stuff Vicky.

Hehe.. I had to wait a long time for this.. I guess I'm done for a long time now!

Also, if possible please mention the prices of each of the equipment separately. :)

EOS 50D - 55k
70-200 L - 59k
400mm - 72k
BG-E2N Grip - 9k
Backpack - 5k
Filters - 3.5k

Total over 200k:eek::eek: However, almost half of this (94k) was funded through sale of older equipment!

All of these are brand new purchases with full 2year warranty:)

I have a small doubt - Won't hand holding a 400mm f5.6 lens be a little tough? The lens does not have IS, and at f5.6 is not really fast. :(

I dont think that lenses like the 400mm are supposed to be hand held anyway! A good tripod is a must for big L!

My very first outing with the 400mm... as well as the 50D... and I got this.. HAND HELD. Shot in JPG mode in S Quality, only levels, cropped and resized.. no sharpening at all :)

50D, 400mm 5.6 L, 1/320, F/5.6, ISO 1600
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/IMG_0302.jpg

50D, 400mm 5.6 L, 1/400, F/5.6, ISO 1600
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/IMG_0205.jpg

Vicky

06-16-2009, 09:28 PM

Some more from the afternoon.. all shot in JPG S-Quality because I only had a 1GB CF card on me:o

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/IMG_0162.jpg
50D, 70-200 f/4 IS, 1/2500, F/4, ISO 250

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/IMG_0187.jpg
50D, 70-200 f/4 IS, 1/125, F/4, ISO 250

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/IMG_0189.jpg
50D, 70-200 f/4 IS, 1/125, F/4, ISO 250

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/IMG_0193.jpg
50D, 70-200 f/4 IS, 1/200, F/4, ISO 250

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/IMG_0214.jpg
50D, 400mm 5.6 L, 1/320, F/5.6, ISO 1600

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/IMG_0220.jpg
50D, 70-200 f/4 IS, 1/30, F/4, ISO 1600

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/IMG_0234.jpg
50D, 70-200 f/4 IS, 1/320, F/4, ISO 100

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/IMG_0323.jpg
50D, 400mm 5.6 L, 1/500, F/5.6, ISO 800

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/IMG_0342.jpg
50D, 400mm 5.6 L, 1/500, F/5.6, ISO 500

Xavier

06-16-2009, 10:10 PM

I don't have words! Totally floored!
That croc shot is a killer!

Aryan

06-16-2009, 10:36 PM

@Vicky: The 400mm is producing some SUPERB wildlife shots. I am in absolute love with that lens. I was contemplating getting the 70-200 f4 IS lens, but looking at these pictures I really tilt in favour of the 100-400 L (I am looking for a zoom lens). Lovely shots! Speechless, I am.

And looking at those prices, it seems you bought all your equipment(s) off 'white', from a reputed dealer. Why not gray market Vicky, I wonder, really. :rolleyes:

But, wonderful shots. First outing and the 400mm shows why it's in a different league altogether. :) SUPERB!

P.S: ISO 1600 and NO noise! :eek: I cannot believe it. My 400D produces substantial noise at ISO 800 itself! Did you use any kind of noise reduction techique/ software(s) Vicky? :)

Aryan

06-16-2009, 10:41 PM

How can you compare a Zoom lens with a Fixed prime? I mean, is there any comparison at all?

Yes, as a matter of fact there is. Ofcourse the 400mm f5.6's image quality will be better, but really only marginally. If you look at it with a naked eye, there won't be any difference noticeable. The 100-400L is that good. Not only this, the "L" series of zooms from Canon DO give a pretty tough competition to the prime lenses!

Although, I have not used either the 400mm f5.6 or the 100-400mm f4.5 - f5.6 L lens ( I have used this lens for a little while, I confess ;) ), but as far as different reviews off the net are concerned, the 100-400 L or the 70-200 L lenses are DAMN good lenses. The 100-400 L lens gives pretty darn good competition to the 400mm f5.6 lens while the 70-200 L lens (especially the 70-200mm f2.8 L) gives VERY good competition to the 200mm f2.8 L lens!

@pageisgod: I am aware that the 100-400 is called the 'dustpump', but is it really the case? Some people say the push-pull zoom does suck dust in, while others say it doesn't even suck an ounce of dust. It's all pretty confusing to me, really. :confused:

Xavier

06-16-2009, 11:00 PM

@pageisgod: I am aware that the 100-400 is called the 'dustpump', but is it really the case? Some people say the push-pull zoom does suck dust in, while others say it doesn't even suck an ounce of dust. It's all pretty confusing to me, really. :confused:

Nah, not really. I guess it's known as that only because of the zooming action.
Check this LINK (http://photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00LjnN)

Xavier

06-16-2009, 11:04 PM

@ Ken

Please read the opening post of this thread http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=43436

KrishnenduKes

06-16-2009, 11:16 PM

Hehe.. I had to wait a long time for this.. I guess I'm done for a long time now!

EOS 50D - 55k
70-200 L - 59k
400mm - 72k
BG-E2N Grip - 9k
Backpack - 5k
Filters - 3.5k

All of these are brand new purchases with full 2year warranty:)

Unbelievable stuff really. I guess you wanted the 2 year warranty which is why you probably wanted the "official" lenses! I do feel that there is noticeable difference between the 400mm and the 70-200. Even on the web! Just let us know if this is true or am I just seeing things...

For the EF-S lenses, maybe not, but when it comes to the big daddy L lenses, The zooms are almost as good as the primes. Check this LINK (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-400mm-f-5.6-L-USM-Lens-Review.aspx)

From the above link

Thanks for the link! Checking it. But it is also clear from your quote that the prime is better.

Yes, as a matter of fact there is. Ofcourse the 400mm f5.6's image quality will be better, but really only marginally. If you look at it with a naked eye, there won't be any difference noticeable. The 100-400L is that good. Not only this, the "L" series of zooms from Canon DO give a pretty tough competition to the prime lenses!
It's all pretty confusing to me, really. :confused:

I am confused too!

Vicky

06-17-2009, 12:26 AM

@Vicky: The 400mm is producing some SUPERB wildlife shots. I am in absolute love with that lens. ..... Lovely shots! Speechless, I am.

And looking at those prices, it seems you bought all your equipment(s) off 'white', from a reputed dealer. Why not gray market Vicky, I wonder, really. :rolleyes:

But, wonderful shots. First outing and the 400mm shows why it's in a different league altogether. :) SUPERB!

P.S: ISO 1600 and NO noise! :eek: I cannot believe it. My 400D produces substantial noise at ISO 800 itself! Did you use any kind of noise reduction techique/ software(s) Vicky? :)

Thanks! Also keep in mind these were shot as JPEG's in the lowest quality and size possible.. and on my very first outing with the new cam & lens combo... what this means is that the gear is capable of a lot more than this:)

Yes, all are from 'white' and full 2year warranty, because with pro level gear, the resale value you get at the time of offloading is substantially higher... also I plan to insure the gear and proper invoices would be necessary in that case too...

I don't have words! Totally floored!
That croc shot is a killer!

Thanks Xavier:)

the 70-200 L lens (especially the 70-200mm f2.8 L) gives VERY good competition to the 200mm f2.8 L lens!

That is absolutely not the case! Canon makes four flavors of the 70-200 and the rating in terms of absolute sharpness are as follows:

1st place - 70-200 f/4 L IS - 3rd generation 4 stop IS - weather sealed - internal optics not same as non IS version
2nd place - 70-200 f/4 L - no IS - no weather sealing
3rd place - 70-200 f/2.8 L - no IS - no weather sealing
4th place - 70-200 f/2.8 L IS - 2nd generation 3 stop IS - weather sealed

Unbelievable stuff really. I guess you wanted the 2 year warranty which is why you probably wanted the "official" lenses!

Yes, as explained above:)

I do feel that there is noticeable difference between the 400mm and the 70-200. Even on the web! Just let us know if this is true or am I just seeing things...

I'm sorry, I didn't quite understand this bit... did you mean there's a substantial difference in the prices I bought them for and the web prices?

nelson_sanjoy

06-17-2009, 12:39 AM

Hehe.. I had to wait a long time for this.. I guess I'm done for a long time now!

I dont think so :)) the itch never dies ...

Vicky

06-17-2009, 01:03 AM

Why I bought the 400 5.6 L and not the 100-400 L?

- 400 L is one of canons specialist lens for birding - especially BIF. Also, for birds in flight where subject is moving, IS is of no use anyway

-For BIF, tripods are very difficult to use due to the unpredictable nature of their flight path, and here with its light hand holdable weight, the 400 L makes a lot of sense. In fact, it is the lightest 400mm available today - every ounce makes a difference in a lens that is intended for hand holding.

-400 L absolutely has the fastest auto focus performance of any canon super tele this side of $4000. This blazing AF performance is made possible due to its very simple internal design with only 7 Optical elements (compared to the 17elements in the 100-400L) Blazing fast AF is very critical for BIF photography. Having used it for a day now, I can vouch that the L is for Lightning! You can almost hear the thunk when it snaps into focus. Holy s***! The first time I used it, I was so startled by its speed, that I missed the shot - I was dumbfounded! Yeah, it is that fast. If I said it nearly torqued the body out of my hands, I'd be exaggerating - but not by much!

-400 L is substantially sharper at 400mm f/5.6 than the 100-400 L at 400mm f/5.6... and with noticeably better quality bokeh

-100-400 L has the 1st generation IS system providing only 1 and half stop of image stabilization... not worth much really...

-There's supposedly a lot of variation in the quality of the 100-400L produced by canon (do some googling on this)... sometimes people changed 2-3 lenses till they got a 'sharp copy'.... I didn't have the option to do that and didn't want to get stuck with an average copy!

-I didn't fancy the push-pull zoom mechanism on the 100-400

-I just had to have the 70-200 f/4 L IS... and having the 100-400 L along with the 70-200 would be too much of an overlap and waste of $$

This is why I bought the 400 L instead of the 100-400L! This is not a post to bash the 100-400L and it does not in any way mean that the 100-400 is an inferior product... it has its many pluses, the biggest of which is undoubtedly the huge range it gives you. With the 400 L, you absolutely must have another lens between your 18-xx and the 400mm.

In my scenario and for the find of photography I intend to pursue, the 400L made the most sense:)

KrishnenduKes

06-17-2009, 08:31 AM

Brilliantly posted comparisons. Simply loved the lucid manner in which you proceeded to give the explanations. Makes it pretty clear why you went for the 4OO and not the 100-400. Thanks.

Yes, as explained above:)

I'm sorry, I didn't quite understand this bit... did you mean there's a substantial difference in the prices I bought them for and the web prices?

I meant that there is a marginal though noticeable difference in quality in sharpness between the 70-200 and the 400.

Vicky

06-17-2009, 08:54 AM

Brilliantly posted comparisons. Simply loved the lucid manner in which you proceeded to give the explanations. Makes it pretty clear why you went for the 4OO and not the 100-400. Thanks

Glad you liked it:)

An even simpler way to explain their different strengths would be to compare them to guns! The 100-400L would be a shot gun, whereas the 400L would be a Sniper Rifle! While both are absolutely lethal and both meant to kill, they are as different as chalk and cheese! The 100-400L, aka shotgun, just push pull, point and just fire away...strong, versatile and devastatingly powerful.. doesn't matter whats in front... will even bring down a fully grown elephant! As for the 400L, aka Sniper Rifle, its not as versatile as the shotgun, however, it truly excels in the task its intended to do... unbelievably long striking range... mind blowing accuracy and enough power to puncture the best of armors!

Its for the buyer to decide what he's looking for:)

I meant that there is a marginal though noticeable difference in quality in sharpness between the 70-200 and the 400.

The 70-200 is the good guy.. gives consistently good results all the time and hides your shortcomings... whereas the 400L is the naughty brat... if you mess up, it openly reveals your shortcomings, but when you get it right the results are in a totally different league!

Aryan

06-17-2009, 09:53 AM

Canon makes four flavors of the 70-200 and the rating in terms of absolute sharpness are as follows:

1st place - 70-200 f/4 L IS - 3rd generation 4 stop IS - weather sealed - internal optics not same as non IS version
2nd place - 70-200 f/4 L - no IS - no weather sealing
3rd place - 70-200 f/2.8 L - no IS - no weather sealing
4th place - 70-200 f/2.8 L IS - 2nd generation 3 stop IS - weather sealed

Does that mean the 70-200 f2.8 (IS and non-IS) are not as sharp as the F4s Vicky!? :eek:

Vicky

06-17-2009, 09:59 AM

Does that mean the 70-200 f2.8 (IS and non-IS) are not as sharp as the F4s Vicky!? :eek:

true.

check out 100% crop comparisons here..

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=404&Camera=9&Sample=0&FLI=4&API=0&LensComp=103&CameraComp=9&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=4&APIComp=2

rio008

06-17-2009, 10:10 AM

amazing shots vicky. center shocked.
so you are having this gears few days before only and showing us day before yestarday. bad boy vicky :cool:

anvancy-(macro analyst)

06-17-2009, 10:21 AM

awesome...

now what next?tele converters?:p

Aryan

06-17-2009, 11:02 AM

@Moderator(s): Please change the thread title to something apt. The "He He" doesn't even begin to fathom the kind of content that this thread has! :D :D

srikeerthi

06-17-2009, 11:08 AM

Congratulations! Now we will get some more good pictures. That makes 3 of us who have upgraded recently, Sunny, me and you :) .. all at different ranges...

KrishnenduKes

06-17-2009, 11:23 AM

@Moderator(s): Please change the thread title to something apt. The "He He" doesn't even begin to fathom the kind of content that this thread has! :D :D

Thanks. Just did it.

Xavier

06-17-2009, 11:23 AM

Lovely explanation Vicky. Yep, as the POTN thread states, The 400L beats the living hell out of the 100-400L when it comes to AF performance and it being much lighter also makes it easier to shoot BIF. I should have known about your recent liking for Birding and the purchase of the 70-200L, the 400L makes perfect sense now. :)

@ Ken
As Vicky and Aryan have mentioned, the difference between the zooms and the primes in the L family is very marginal. The only major thing the primes have over the zoom IMO is the cost. The zooms still have the advantage of versatility though. :)

Vicky

06-17-2009, 05:45 PM

@Moderator(s): Please change the thread title to something apt. The "He He" doesn't even begin to fathom the kind of content that this thread has! :D :D

Thanks for suggesting Aryan! In fact, this very morning, I was feeling silly over having chosen such a funny thread title:)

Thanks. Just did it.

Thanks for doing it Ken!

Vicky

06-17-2009, 06:00 PM

amazing shots vicky. center shocked.
so you are having this gears few days before only and showing us day before yestarday. bad boy vicky :cool:

Thanks Rio! Glad u liked these. Not what you're thinking... got the 50D and 70-200L on 15th and shared the same day with you all. Similarly, got the 400L + Grip, etc on 16th and also shared the same day with you all... Infact, is it even possible to keep these kinda things in your stomach without sharing:cool:

Congratulations! Now we will get some more good pictures. That makes 3 of us who have upgraded recently, Sunny, me and you :) .. all at different ranges...

Thanks Sri! I see that you are doing a lot of portrait work these days... so the full frame makes sense for you... whereas for my kinda shooting (action, birding) the faster AF and 1.6x crop factor makes more sense:)

As Vicky and Aryan have mentioned, the difference between the zooms and the primes in the L family is very marginal...

Hehe, don't misquote me :p... this is what I said:cool:

[B]-400 L is substantially sharper at 400mm f/5.6 than the 100-400 L at 400mm f/5.6... and with noticeably better quality bokeh

I dont think so :)) the itch never dies ...

I know, I know... even the dealer from whom I bought these stuff said some thing on similar lines.. he said that by around the same time next year, I'd be visiting him looking for a 1series body and 500mm f/4:eek:

but, i'm actually done for a while.. except maybe just a 85mm prime or something;)

Aryan

06-17-2009, 06:18 PM

but, i'm actually done for a while.. except maybe just a 85mm prime or something;)

There you go! :D :D There is always that ONE extra lens that one craves to get. :D :D So, may be we can expect a thread, now titled - Heh Heh Heh Heh! :D :D

Xavier

06-17-2009, 06:23 PM

Hehe, don't misquote me :p... this is what I said:cool:

C'mon! You get to keep all those Luxurious pieces of glass, we don't even get to misquote you? :o:p

KrishnenduKes

06-17-2009, 06:40 PM

but, i'm actually done for a while.. except maybe just a 85mm prime or something;)

Yes!!! And I have one of those. f1.8! What a wonderful piece of glass!!! And it comes DIRT cheap as well.

Vicky

06-19-2009, 01:15 PM

Another one with the 50D + 70-200 L Combo...

The Stare..
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/IMG_0245.jpg

Shot through 1 inch thick murky glass:)

Bibudesh

06-19-2009, 01:18 PM

Nice shot Vicky.
Have u done any PP to it?

KrishnenduKes

06-19-2009, 03:02 PM

Nice shot Vicky.
Have u done any PP to it?

I think that is how he got rid of the murkiness of the inch thick glass!

Vicky

06-19-2009, 03:23 PM

Nice shot Vicky.
Have u done any PP to it?

Yes.. some PP gone into it.. primarily to remove the glare and haze caused by the glass..

Cant find the unedited version of the same shot.. but here's another unedited shot from the same time...the first one also had the same problem like this one here..

surya@64

06-19-2009, 03:50 PM

Yes.. some PP gone into it.. primarily to remove the glare and haze caused by the glass..

Cant find the unedited version of the same shot.. but here's another unedited shot from the same time...the first one also had the same problem like this one here..

Nice shot Vicky....Is it shot in captivity....??? I could not get it when U said there was 1 inch glass..

surya@64

06-19-2009, 03:57 PM

I was inspired to post this shot....by seeing Vicky's post...

Canon 50d + 100-400L IS USM.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3652/3628026729_45165db566_o.jpg

KrishnenduKes

06-19-2009, 04:01 PM

I was inspired to post this shot....by seeing Vicky's post...

Canon 50d + 100-400L IS USM.

Ah! Same camera.

Vicky

06-19-2009, 04:31 PM

@ Surya - awesome shot!

Which national park was this taken?

surya@64

06-19-2009, 04:41 PM

@ Surya - awesome shot!

Which national park was this taken?

Thanks Vicky. This was taken at Bandhavgarh.

Vicky

06-19-2009, 05:19 PM

Thanks Vicky. This was taken at Bandhavgarh.

Great! that place is already on the top of my 'must visit' places:)

It would be great if you can start a new thread sharing details about your visits to such parks.... the best places, the best season to visit, where you stayed, and all other details... This would be a real help to people like me who are planning to grow in this direction:)

Psycho_McCrazy

06-20-2009, 05:35 AM

I'm gone for a few days and you've overhauled your entire arsenal...... wicked!!!!

that 400 L is sure an awesome wildlife lens... made even better by the 1.6 crop and high pixel density of the 50D, can crop and still have awesomely details pics, thus giving killer reach. And without doubt, the wildlife prowess of your gear is showing in the posted shots.

Vicky

06-20-2009, 12:38 PM

Vicky

06-21-2009, 02:03 PM

This is how the 400L looks on the 50D when coupled with the Kenko 2x TC..

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/P1100830a.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/P1100831a.jpg

And just to illustrate the reach of this thing when mated to the 2x tc, I clicked a few shots.. all hand held.. and manual focus..

18mm
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/IMG_0375.jpg

50mm
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/IMG_0376.jpg

800mm
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/IMG_0374.jpg

:)

KrishnenduKes

06-21-2009, 02:28 PM

Oh yes! That is quite something. Albeit with a wee bit of grain. But I can live with that.

Vicky

06-21-2009, 03:00 PM

Oh yes! That is quite something. Albeit with a wee bit of grain. But I can live with that.

That building must be a good 3km from here and that's 3000mtrs of atmospheric haze showing as grain in that photo:o

KrishnenduKes

06-21-2009, 03:47 PM

That building must be a good 3km from here and that's 3000mtrs of atmospheric haze showing as grain in that photo:o

And you, the PP master will show us how to get rid of that haze! :D Thank you!!! :D

Xavier

06-21-2009, 04:06 PM

Nice!
2 x 400 x 1.6 = 1280 mm! :O
Looking forward to some awesome moon shots from you now! ;)
How much did the Kenko 2X converter cost? And was it also compatible with the 70-300 IS?
You lose autofocus on lenses with a max aperture of f/2.8 while using 2X converters, right?

Psycho_McCrazy

06-21-2009, 07:07 PM

MOON SHOT MOON SHOT MOON SHOT

We want MOON SHOT

surya@64

06-21-2009, 10:13 PM

MOON SHOT MOON SHOT MOON SHOT

We want MOON SHOT

Psycho...here is a moon shot from me....Until Vicky posts one from his Gun...:)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3134/3628658671_e2e9cd7f90_o.jpg

KrishnenduKes

06-22-2009, 10:06 AM

Psycho...here is a moon shot from me....Until Vicky posts one from his Gun...:)

Exif please.

Vicky

06-22-2009, 11:33 AM

Exif please.

50D, 100-400L @ 400mm, 1/160, 5.6, ISO 400:)

Nice shot there Surya, but its way over sharpened by my taste:(

surya@64

06-22-2009, 12:04 PM

50D, 100-400L @ 400mm, 1/160, 5.6, ISO 400:)

Nice shot there Surya, but its way over sharpened by my taste:(

Thanks Vicky for the Exif on my behalf....Looks ok on my Monitor...may be we can reduce the sharpness by one stop....

I might have over compensated for the Atmospheric turbulence which cause distortion...

Vicky

07-06-2009, 10:05 AM

MOON SHOT MOON SHOT MOON SHOT

We want MOON SHOT

Getting up close and personal...
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg143/Vikash2007/IMG_1071.jpg

1/160, f/16, ISO 200

EOS 50D + Canon 400L + Kenko Pro Dg 2x TC x 1.6x = 1280mm effective focal length:eek:

Tripod mounted, Remote live view shooting with Precision manual focus at 10x magnification on the Laptop monitor, 100% crop.

Aryan

07-06-2009, 10:15 AM

:eek: Damn! That is REAL up-close and personal, but there is lack of sharpness, I feel. :o :( Is it because of the teleconvertor? :confused:

inder.cool

07-06-2009, 10:47 AM

@ Vicky: "Camera lekar moon ke andar hi ghus gaye ho.. :D"

I guess no one must have clicked such a shot(even after cropping too)..!!

Vicky

07-06-2009, 11:51 AM

:eek: Damn! That is REAL up-close and personal, but there is lack of sharpness, I feel. :o :( Is it because of the teleconvertor? :confused:

He He.. yes, its real close!

Actually, for a 100% crop of a 800mm focal length shot with a non-oem 2x tele converter, this is pretty sharp!:)

I could easily add some more USM, but that adds grains and JPG artifacts which i don't like:o

First time working at this kind of focal length and with this technique... hope to achieve better results with more attempts...

Two new things I learned with this:

- At this magnification, you can clearly see the movement of the moon... if you position it at the centre of the viewfinder, in less than 30secs, it glides all the way out of the viewfinder!

- I need a better tripod:mad:

rio008

07-06-2009, 12:12 PM

- At this magnification, you can clearly see the movement of the moon... if you position it at the centre of the viewfinder, in less than 30secs, it glides all the way out of the viewfinder!

i had the same problem too... last time when i was trying to shoot the moon using 300mm focal length, i kept the shutter speed for 30 seconds and the result.... i got an EGG shape not a moon. :eek:
so no wonder moon vanished from your viewfinder with 1280mm focal length :)

anvancy-(macro analyst)

07-06-2009, 03:18 PM

- I need a better tripod:mad:

Manfrotto to your rescue.

or if tight on budget,fake manfrotto to the rescue!

anvancy

Xavier

07-06-2009, 07:32 PM

i had the same problem too... last time when i was trying to shoot the moon using 300mm focal length, i kept the shutter speed for 30 seconds and the result.... i got an EGG shape not a moon. :eek:
so no wonder moon vanished from your viewfinder with 1280mm focal length :)

Moon shot at a shutter speed of 30 seconds? :|
What settings were you shooting at? f/280. ISO 10? :p

Psycho_McCrazy

07-06-2009, 07:39 PM

now THAT is a moon shot.
please also post the entire image, not just the 100% crop.
the entire image would be too good I believe.

rio008

07-06-2009, 07:48 PM

Moon shot at a shutter speed of 30 seconds? :|
What settings were you shooting at? f/280. ISO 10? :p

Experimenting yaar...... inovations :p
samja karo.........!
does your camera having f/280 and ISO 10 ? wow ....which brand ??:cool:
(actually i was trying to shoot star trails......just TRYING)

Xavier

07-06-2009, 09:26 PM

Experimenting yaar...... inovations :p
samja karo.........!
does your camera having f/280 and ISO 10 ? wow ....which brand ??:cool:
(actually i was trying to shoot star trails......just TRYING)

Yep, I use a state of the art Canikonympusax. Min ISO - 1.

Ok, enough of this crap :p

Star trails at 30 seconds? 30 sec is too low for that IMO. And most star trails are captured during a new moon night far away from city life. The bulb mode with a remote release is almost mandatory for Star trails.

MG_1806

07-06-2009, 09:30 PM

@Vicky-Wow!That looked like someone touched the moon and then came back;).

Vicky

07-06-2009, 11:44 PM

@Vicky-Wow!That looked like someone touched the moon and then came back;).

now THAT is a moon shot.
please also post the entire image, not just the 100% crop.
the entire image would be too good I believe.

Thanks guys!

Psycho, check out the moon thread:)

KrishnenduKes

07-07-2009, 08:08 AM

Wow! So much happened in this thread since I last visited here.

Next time show us your floating Soyuz modules as well that you managed to capture! Space debris.

Vicky

07-07-2009, 09:24 AM

Next time show us your floating Soyuz modules as well that you managed to capture! Space debris.

You just need to wait a little longer until I get hold of the Canon 1200 L:cool:

KrishnenduKes

07-07-2009, 11:16 AM

You just need to wait a little longer until I get hold of the Canon 1200 L:cool:

Paradigm shift on vocation visible in the not so distant future?

I certainly hope so :)

Psycho_McCrazy

07-08-2009, 04:49 PM

You just need to wait a little longer until I get hold of the Canon 1200 L:cool:

of the very few (maybe 50 odd) ever made, one is on sale
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&Q=&IC=622963&A=RetrieveSku

enjooy :eek::eek::eek::eek::p:p:p:p:p:D:D:D:D

rio008

07-08-2009, 06:14 PM

of the very few (maybe 50 odd) ever made, one is on sale
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&Q=&IC=622963&A=RetrieveSku

enjooy :eek::eek::eek::eek::p:p:p:p:p:D:D:D:D

$ 120,000.00 ????? :(:eek::(:eek::eek::(
i can buy a whole new world from that money:o

Vicky

07-22-2009, 08:19 AM

I remember some had asked for low light shots from the 50D..

Well, here's one that left me smiling:)

Shot indoors at Night..with just an 11w CFL in the room

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3514/3744233543_068e321f7a_o.jpg
1/200, f/2.8, ISO 6400, No noise reduction

Aryan

07-22-2009, 11:56 AM

@Vicky: ISO 6400 and NO NOISE REDUCTION!!?? :eek: :eek: :eek:

srikeerthi

07-22-2009, 10:42 PM

Nice one there, use of max aperture is visible with the shallow DOF. Works well with the subject for me.
@aryan:Hehe.. you should see the 5D MII at 6400. Feels like iso800 on smaller cameras.

Aryan

07-22-2009, 11:58 PM

@Sri: In the case of 5D, it's pretty much expected, but here in case of Vicky, the 50D's performance also seems to be outstanding! :)

nelson_sanjoy

07-23-2009, 12:56 AM

This really contradicts Dxomark's views on 50D's sensor. Dont know how accurate their ratings for sensor's are?

Psycho_McCrazy

07-25-2009, 03:01 PM

@Sri: In the case of 5D, it's pretty much expected, but here in case of Vicky, the 50D's performance also seems to be outstanding! :)

downrezzing a 15Mp image to that size, converting to grayscale, and not having too many prominent shadow areas are excellent techniques to hide noise.

I can easily see quite a lot of noise in this image and vertical banding too (horizontal banding if the image is aligned as the sensor is in the cam body), but yes, perfectly usable 6400 on a 1.6 sensor is good.

I believe this compares well to the 12800 ISO on 5d2 and just maybe 20000 or 25600 on D3/D700